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Received December 23, 2009
Subject: reply to comment on fur


Good Grief!!! I can not believe how gullible people can think they have all the answers because somebody with an agenda, lied to them. Case in point would be the letter that describes the cruelty of the fur industry. I don't know if Anne and her company of gullible people know they are lying though. That is what is most disturbing about their game plan. They lack the intestinal fortitude to seek the truth just in case they have been lied to themselves. In fact my trap line has well defined laws that I must abide by in order to keep my license. I have a very good rapport with my DNR because I abide by the law. If I didn't they would make sure I didn't have a trappers license.

First lie to address is from the skinning animals alive, crowd. That is a smoke & mirrors charade that is very sick because it is an ARA created snuff film with gratuitous suffering fanatics or a money motivated film crew who will create false impressions, in order to sell, their propaganda. Common sense would tell you that Hospital operating rooms have doctor teams set up with specific duties to prevent patients under the knife from bleeding all over everything , biting everything, kicking and squirming and screaming. Yet a pathologist works singularly because he does not need the extra hands to swab blood from a pumping heart coursing blood through the openings that a knife cut makes. In short ,anyone believing the Coon dog film from China better get some lessons on cognitive reasoning skills because you are too gullible to survive most of the dirty tricks liars put upon brains,souls & conscience of the gullible.

Secondly, I want to addess the lies about traps such as paw traps being cruel. In fact Dr. David Mech who set up the re-location of Wolves from Canada to Yellowstone national Par, claimed paw trapped wolves were able to return into the wild much better shape then the tranqulized ones. More importantly there was less risk of death with the un-tranquilized paw trapped wolves . Otters, Fisher, Cougars, Bobcats, Lynx, Wolves , Marten are all being relocated today in a healthy state to areas they had been extinct in because of licensed trappers & biologists using paw traps that are not the cruel devices that Anne thinks they are. In fact the paw trap is an important wildlife management tool because of it is not the cruel maiming device that Anne thinks it is.

Thirdly, I am a Christian man of Faith in a God who figured out a long time ago that all the animals of this planet were meant to die. He made the planet and it's animals knowing death would feed new life in a cyclical manner. We animals are meant to use each other to stay alive despite Pete Singers hatred of Judeo/Islamic and Christian Religions. The earth is designed so that God can save Souls,not flesh. That distrurbs folks but whether they are believers in God's creation or in evolution beliefs the fact remains life becomes death to feed life. Popping pill suppliments as a vegan can not mask what God or evolution created in the animal omnivore known as man. Being aware of God's plan it behooves me to think Christians , Jews & Islamics can actually accept humanistic beliefs that nature isn't better served by natural renewable resources such as wool, silk.leather, fur and meat. They are knowledgeable to know those natural renewable resources serve earth better then petroleum based poisons of polymers & plastic which we know to be *NOT* biodegradable & know carcinogenics that will be rearing their ugly heads in air, water & plant or animal cell fibers for thousands of years???. Sadly gullible people in their ignorance refuse to weigh reality against the surreal claims of folks such as Anne> They become arrogant in their beliefs without educating themselves with an honest open mind. I am not trying to diss those folks but I sure would respect their input in this debate if they were not so influenced by their own gullibility.

One more thing for those folks to consider when attacking me the trapper. Why would a greedy guy like me risk ruining good pelts by putting my knife to a living animal and taking the chance of devaluing it because the animal jumped or squirted blood all over it's pelt. Blood devalues the pelt as does excessive cuts that would come from skinning animals alive. Ditto not checking traps. If I catch a critter I want to get it out of the trap quickly so that it does not beome too restless and pull out or damage it's pelt. Those folks place the altruistic value of greed upon my shoulders as a motivation for trapping and then completely ignore that my greed would demand the best quality undamaged most marketable pelt that I could possibly supply. I have received awards for my pelt preparation, so the truth is obvious that animals didn't ruin themselves fighting my traps or my knife. Be stupid of me to take those risks. I only wish todays folk were not so linear in their thinking that they never stop to think about how valid my points are to reasonable folks.
Donnie Mac Leod



Received December 21, 2009
Subject: (none)


Only Canada could try to 'educate' that the torture of animals is eco-friendly!!! Out of touch a little, eh? Skin yourself and your own children - slowly - before you say that screaming animals is friendly.
Rue Moore



Received December 20, 2009
Subject: Fur is green?


If you are so proud with the animal industry killing that you produce.
Why didn't you put some pictures and movies of how do you kill the animals in the web site?
Why hiding the main and important thing??
Are you ashamed with what you are doing???
Can you still explain how green or how important it is after one picture or movie?
Reveal yourself. Don't hide behind something you are so proud of.
Lior Haimovich



Received: July 17, 2009
Subject: None


Hello,
One of my close friends and I got into a fur conversation not too long ago.
It was his belief that the meat was wasted in the fur industry, as well as expressing a belief the the animals were being mistreated. This inspired me to research the facts as I couldn't imagine people wasting the deceased animals let alone abusing them before hand, as my friend had tried to tell me was done. As it turned out and I'm sure you know, that wasn't the case. I was pleased to find out that the meat was used in pet foods and organic fertilizers. Along with the many other details such as human food waist being put to use as food for the animals, and the fur animal manure being used to make fertilizer.
I have always been a fan of fur and all animal products for that matter. Your website helped me find a rich amount of information that seems to be very much so lacking online. As a result I was able to form an educated opinion on the industry. I have also been on a quest to seek all the information I can find on any web sights offering useful material. I found in my reading and viewing that PETA and the ELF are nasty extremists intent on spreading false information, to meet there own needs. I also noticed that the vast majority of video's on Youtube and such were filmed in China with the exception of one and it looked to have been taken sometime a couple of decades ago. It was also brought to my attention while researching, that PETA is guilty of killing domesticated animals. To be specific they have a 90% kill rate according to United States Government statistics. Since 1998 they have killed over 19,200 dogs and cats, puppies and kittens. The animals came from trusting people who were under the impression that the organization would take there pet and find it a home, since they where no longer able to care for them. All the while telling me and others that it's morally wrong to use animal products such as fur, meat, leather, ect. Thanks to you I am happy to say I will be purchasing a mink coat this winter. I have always wanted one but to be honest animal rights groups rather spoiled the whole idea for me. Until now thank you so much for taking the time to construct this website. Now I can take pride in knowing I will be helping the Earth while supporting a very precious part of our culture, not to mention staying warm. My only regret is there aren't more campaigns like yours out there.
Sincerely,
Christian Guerra



Received: July, 2009
Subject: Fur industry


We received several identical lettres ("copy - paste") from people in Europe, all based on this template circulated by Eva Truesdsson.

Read Alan Herscovici's reply to the letter


SAMPLE LETTER:

To Whom It May Concern:
I was shocked to discover your website promoting fur and associating such with environmental protection; I was equally appalled to read that, "Like leather, suede and shearling, fur is a natural product, a true gift of nature…" Words cannot describe the depravity inherent in the fur industry, but for you to tout it under the monikers of environmentalism and as "nature's gifts" is unethical and malicious. Your actions are savage, subjecting animals to particularly brutal practices including electrocution, skinning alive, clubbing, and trapping. These animals are exploited in perhaps the worst ways possible, and despite your claims to the contrary, there are no humane standards governing the treatment of animals brutalized for fur, and only the most immoral and indifferent could subject an animal to such contemptible conditions whether directly or indirectly as selfishly performed for commercial purposes. You may attempt justification using noble terms such as "environmentalism" and "conservation", but your tactic is transparent, your plan failing to conceal: there is no validity to a business that derives its profits from the exploitation and vicious treatment of animals. In fact, there is no legitimacy to your claims of beneficial ecological and environmental impact.

It is my hope that humans across the globe have not conditioned themselves to believe superiority over animals and thus justified in the abusive treatment of them. Humans are capable, indeed obligated, to acknowledge animals as sentient beings who, like humans, experience love, anguish, pain, and suffering. Your indifference as established by your usage of fabrications and lies reflects a complete lack of respect, not only for animals, but also for humans, and I implore upon you to examine your role in the suffering of animals and your unscrupulous business conduct.

Can you even begin to contemplate your involvement, acknowledge your brutality? Please, stop for a few minutes and view the true horror, agony, excruciating pain, and suffering you cause. This is the truth, these the accurate images of the fur industry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaikWcmuPCE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66wZitveLj4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apXs4eHWKy0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbOQU4RI-Ws&feature=related

This animal abuse is in direct contrast with a compassionate, empathetic industry truly interested in conservation and the well-being of consumers; in fact, your desire is profit, your motive greed, your actions immoral and horrific. Is this what your children will believe when they look upon the images documenting this brutality? Is this really the legacy you wish to leave? Until you cease this malignant treatment of animals, I will campaign against all companies, associations, and people involved in the fur industry. I will express my horror regarding your blatant approval of such violence against animals, and your attempts at consumer deception. I will share this information and the facts of fur farming with my colleagues, my friends, my family.
I hope this letter finds you willing to scrutinize your own involvement and desire to protect and not harm animals.
Sincerely,
Eva Truedsson, Stockholm, Sweden
  
Reply from Alan Herscovici

Dear Eva Truedsson et al,
Since you apparently launched this letter (which several others have copied and sent to us), I will address this note to you. I would like to thank you for taking the time to write us and for the relatively polite tone of your letter -- although many of your claims are, frankly, very insulting to thousands of knowledgeable and hardworking aboriginal and other hunters, trappers, farmers and artisans who work in the fur trade across North America and Europe and internationally.

To begin, let me assure you that if i believed that the videos you have seen were a fair represention of the fur trade, i would not be working here .

Many of the images in the videos you have indicated are truely upsetting. But it is equally upsetting that some groups would claim this hodge-podge of shop-worn and sensationalistic images shows the reality of our industry today.

Let me provide a few examples of how misleading and malicious these videos really are:

One video shows a whitecoat seal pup and then cuts to the image of a hunter killing a seal. It would be hard for you to know from this that the commercial hunting of young whitecoat seals has been banned in Canada since 1987. Or that 85% of seals killed are shot with high-powered rifles. Or even, for that matter, that studies published by the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association have confirmed that (while not look pretty to watch) the great majority even of seals killed with the hakapik (98%) die quickly and humanely -- a figure that compares very well with commercial abbatoirs. (Canadian Veterinary Journal 2002;43:687–694).

Similarly, the scenes of rabbits being slaughtered are not pleasant to watch, but veterinary pathologists have confirmed that cutting arteries in the neck results in immediate and irreversible unconsciousness. Of course, PETA (the group that signs most of the videos you cited) is against ANY use of animals, no matter how humanely they are slaughtered. But 97% of Europeans and North American do not agree: they eat meat every day. (Interestingly, the number of people claiming to be vegetarians has actually DECLINED in recent years in Europe, perhaps because more organically produced meat is now available and consumers feel more confident that it is humanely produced.)

The foxes in one of the videos are clearly in lamentable condition -- so bad that this clearly could not be a fur farm, because the fur of animals in such poor condition would be worthless. In fact, investigation has confirmed that the farm in question kept foxes, raccoons, deer and other animals to collect urine for hunting lures, not for fur. Nonetheless, it is unacceptable to keep any animals in such conditions and this farm was sanctioned by the state government many years ago. But that doesn't stop some groups from continuing to broadcast this shocking video and claiming that it represents fur farming.

Many of the videos show mistreatment of dogs and cats in China. But the use of domesticated dog and cat fur is already banned in both the United States and the EU, and the Fur Council of Canada has adopted a policy against using such fur. Most recent stories about finding "dog" fur in the USA actually refer to "raccoon dog" (more correctly known as Asiatic Raccoon), which is not a dog at all, although it is classified by biologists in the broader "canidae" family.

Also: I hope you will be pleased to learn that you are quite wrong to claim that "there are no humane standards" governing the use of animals for fur. In fact, trapping is strictly regulated by the provincial and state wildlife departments in both Canada and the USA. The major fur producing countries (Canada, USA, Russia) and the EU have now also ratified the Agreement on International Humane Trapping Standards (AIHTS), based on years of scientific research financed by the Canadian Government and the International Fur Trade Federation. There are also regulations and codes of practice for the raising of animals on fur farms in North America and the EU.

Finally, we did not fabricate the arguments about the environmental advantages of using fur: every major conservation authority (IUCN, WWF, UNEP) today supports the sustainable use of natural renewable resources, including wildlife.

None of this is intended to persuade you to wear fur or leather or anytihng else. You are probably a vegetarian too, and that is also your choice. Our only goal is to assure consumers who do believe it is acceptable to use animals (for food, clothing and other purposes) that they can wear fur with confidence, because this is a responsible and sustainable industry.

It is worth remembering that Peter Singer (who launched the modern animal-rights movement with his 1976 book Animal Liberation) said that it is hypocritical to attack the seal hunt or the fur trade while the vast majority of the population eats meat and enjoys the benefits of medical research -- both of which use many many more animals.

We could add that PETA's moral outrage about wearing animal skins might be more laudable if they directed their protests against leather-wearing biker gangs instead of targeting fur-wearing women. The PETA video showing a woman attacked by a club-wielding thug is truely irresponsible, whatever your beliefs about animal use. (Surely there is no excuse today for exploiting images of violence against women?) But then, what do you expect from a group that equates the murder of 6 million Jews in the Holocaust to the slaughter of pigs, cows and chickens. (I.e., in their Holocaust on a Plate campaign.) This is also a group whose leader says that she cannot accept the death of even a single lab rat to find a cure for cancer or AIDS. So much for compassion! (Meanwhile, for a side of PETA they would rather you don't learn about, see: www.PetaKillsAnimals.com.)

I could go on for many pages, answering errors in the videos you flagged and explaining the environmental benefits of our trade. But i don't expect i could convince you to change your mind about fur even if i wrote a book. (Sadly, instead of promoting compassion, the animal-rights movement is increasingly becoming a politically-correct justification for intolerance and hatred.) I hope only that this letter will perhaps help you realize that, although we may disagree with some of your views, we are not quite the ignorant and heartless monsters you apparently imagine.
Sincerely,
Alan Herscovici
Executive Vice-President
Fur Council of Canada



Received: February 23, 2009
Subject: Green!


Hello!
Wonderful website!
Thank You!



Received: February 20, 2009
Subject: I wear furs and here is my point of view about it


To the Fur Council
I would like to comment on the use of furs; not only are they warmer than any other coat that I have ever owned but last longer. I have been wearing furs since I was 13 years old (I am now 50 years old) because my mother's side of the family worked with furs; specifically the making of fur coats, stoles etc. Each coat has lasted me over 20 years before purchasing another one. The old coat would be refashioned with repairs done where required and it would be passed down to another sibling. I have owned a raccoon coat for 23 years; I purchased it just before my daughter's birth. I has been torn and mended during these last fewyears.

After this winter, I will be sending it to my family in Toronto who will repair and insert a new lining and it will be sanitized in a specific process and it will look like brand new. I was also given a black diamond fur coat that was my grandmother's which was made by my grandfather. He used male pelts and it therefore even heavier; because female pelts are more durable but not as heavy as the male ones. She was shorter and heavier than I was but a family member took a few pelts my mother had from another coat and redesigned this one to fit me perfectly. The coat is now over 50 years old and no one believes me when I tell them the story. Fur is more durable and has been used in all history for keep one warm before the invention of cloth coats.

I will agree that the process to make the pelts could be more environmental friendly but I know that the animals are raised without harm being done to them. Why? Because it's simple, if an animal is mistreated, the fur will be unhealthy and useless to use for anything. They have used different techniques to increase the size of the animal; like raising the food higher so that animal has to stretch to reach it. This increases the length and therefore reduces the number of pelts needed to manufacture a fur coat. The entire animal is used. The skin is made into fur coats and the animal's meat and bones are sent to animal processing plants and used in dog and cat foods.

Most of the animals used in the fur business are rodents of some kind or another and multiply quite quickly. Without the fur industry, these animals would increase so rapidly that there would not be enough food to support them and they would starve to death. The others would make their way into the community and possibly could cause injury to our children or bring diseases to our domestic animals.

I wish that people would ask questions and learn before making rash decisions about things like furs. Once you find out information; then you can make a decision. Too many people listen to someone and believe them without doing any legwork to confirm or prove to themselves' what the truth is. I hope that this letter is posted somewhere and that someone learns something from it.
Thanks
Alice from Kingston



Received: January 23, 2009
Subject: Fur is Green


Hell,
I saw your vehicle on the 427 north yesterday with furisgreen.com. Hit the website not knowing who it was. Keep up the good work and thank you for the positive image on our business practices
Signed,
A licenced trapper.



Received: January 18, 2009
Subject: A breath of fresh air


I came across your website today randomly and was so glad to find it. In these days of groups like PETA trying to steer people AGAINST the grain of nature and everything natural, it's great to see there are some people that haven't bought into any of it. I am not a fur wearer, nor do I have any ties to the fur industry, but want to let you guys know that as long as you treat your animals with care and respect, I am 100% all for it and will support the fur industry at any opportunity. Here's wishing you great success both in Canada and any efforts in the states, too. Thank you for all you're doing and keep up the great work.
Dave



Received: January 03 2010
Subject: Thank you for your web site!!


Greetings from sunny Thousand Oaks, California.

While our climate is not generally conducive to the wearing of fur coats, I wear mine whenever possible. I have 3 coats, all purchased second hand, and I just love them, and not because they are a "fashion statement". They are the warmest coats I own. Went back east in the winter to visit my brother, and my mink coat and hat kept me nice and toasty in single digit temps. Because we're loaded with so many bleeding heart liberals here in CA, it's not uncommon to have to defend the wearing of my coats, and keep an extra eye peeled for potential attackers, too. Your web site gives honest, logical information about the fur industry and how it operates. You've provided great ammunition that enables thinking people to be able to throw back being "green" at this intolerant, propagandist movement disguised as love for animals. Most of the younger people who have taken up the anti-fur mantle are well-meaning, but totally misguided. It's the hard-core, near religious, stance of the extremists like PETA who mislead and brainwash the youngsters, and while claiming to be non-violent, think nothing of destroying other people's property and livelihoods to advance their agendas. Additionally, these same people claim to have the welfare of indigenous people, such as the Indian tribes of Canada, who rely so heavily on the fur trade for their livelihoods, and our also our Native Americans, at heart, but do not hesitate to destroy the products of their labors. Fur and leather are difficult materials to work with, and making garments and accessories out of them requires an extremely high level of craftsmanship and expertise. I've sewed most of my life, and greatly admire the workmanship that goes into fur products.

I have a lot of respect for trappers, who thoroughly understand wildlife management and realities of animal life in the wild. We, today, do not have the natural predators that kept animal populations in check so they did not overpopulate limited feeding grounds and habitats. That void in predators has been taken up by trappers and hunters. Anyone who knows hunters and trappers knows that the "innards" are a food source for many, including the native peoples of Canada and the US. Making clothing of the "outsides" is making full use of resources and recycling what isn't going to be eaten or used for other products.

Many years ago, while working a foot beat Christmas patrol in a local mall, I had the opportunity to chat with a salesman in the fur section of a major department store. He was very lonesome and hadn't had a single customer all night, so I stopped to talk with him, and asked him questions about furs. He told me about what is done with the animal carcasses and how so many things are made with them. I also got an education about selecting a quality garment or accessory, and the difference between male & female mink pelts, etc. It was very enlightening and I appreciated it. I was in uniform, so not doing any shopping, and a full-length mink coat was way outside my budget at the time. All the coats and accessories I currently have were purchased second hand.

Being an animal lover, yes, I'd like to see that animals utilized for food and clothing are well-treated and dispatched humanely. But, the extreme views and lack of respect for others' property and way of life totally turns me off to many so-called "animal rights" organizations. Some years back, a group broke into a mink ranch and turned the animals loose. Many of those minks made it to local chicken farms, raided the hen houses for the eggs and killed some of the chickens, causing headaches for the chicken ranchers. The laws of un intended consequences (always one of the results of liberals' dictates and activities) at work, and obviously no concern for others, or of the minks after they were turned loose. I proudly wear my fur coats and hats as a "middle finger" to those folks since it irritates them so much to see furs in public.

Thanks so much for the valuable information; I will pass it on to others.
Mrs. KB



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